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Calling it quit after 5 years of being a small business on Amazon.

After selling for five years on Amazon, we are finally calling it a quit. My wife and I started this journey on Amazon almost six years ago, and each year, we keep hoping things will get better, but things get only worse and worse.

If you are a seller on Amazon making 10,000 or more each year, it is a great thing, but for most of us small sellers or businesses, you get to a point where you realize that Amazon is that big and giant Pig you are taking part of fatting up, hoping one day you get a slice of bacon. But that day may never come.

With everything this platform says and does, it feels like they only want a small percentage of success to come your way but the mass majority to them.

You come to a point as a seller where you realize that when, after all the time and money you invested, you only get a small percentage back.

For example, when you are selling on Amazon, depending on your niche, you will have to spend a lot of money on ads every week to make a few sales, and after all the cost of ads and fees, you are only left with a small margin. After all, this is not just it; they hold that small margin on something they come up with call reserves, paying you 15 to 20 percent every two weeks from your own funds when they get their cuts every 3-5 days. And when they finally send you that small deposit, you can't even afford to get new inventories in. That's when you keep investing more and more of your personal funds and hoping that things will get better one day, but you never do.

Amazon might be an excellent platform for big companies and big sellers, but to a lot of small businesses, Amazon is their biggest nightmare.

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Calling it quit after 5 years of being a small business on Amazon.

After selling for five years on Amazon, we are finally calling it a quit. My wife and I started this journey on Amazon almost six years ago, and each year, we keep hoping things will get better, but things get only worse and worse.

If you are a seller on Amazon making 10,000 or more each year, it is a great thing, but for most of us small sellers or businesses, you get to a point where you realize that Amazon is that big and giant Pig you are taking part of fatting up, hoping one day you get a slice of bacon. But that day may never come.

With everything this platform says and does, it feels like they only want a small percentage of success to come your way but the mass majority to them.

You come to a point as a seller where you realize that when, after all the time and money you invested, you only get a small percentage back.

For example, when you are selling on Amazon, depending on your niche, you will have to spend a lot of money on ads every week to make a few sales, and after all the cost of ads and fees, you are only left with a small margin. After all, this is not just it; they hold that small margin on something they come up with call reserves, paying you 15 to 20 percent every two weeks from your own funds when they get their cuts every 3-5 days. And when they finally send you that small deposit, you can't even afford to get new inventories in. That's when you keep investing more and more of your personal funds and hoping that things will get better one day, but you never do.

Amazon might be an excellent platform for big companies and big sellers, but to a lot of small businesses, Amazon is their biggest nightmare.

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It's frustrating, however, if you don't make 10K a year ...then selling is more of a hobby. Selling and making a profit isn't working for everyone. You got to have a good supplier for products people want and a price that they want to pay, while you still make a profit. None of those things happen over night. 5 Years really isn't that long. I started selling online in 2000 at what was then "Yahoo auctions" and Halfdotcom. No time to give up.

From there to the Bay when Yahoo auctions went down. In my first year, I made $1.12 an hour. I worked 7 days a week, 12-15 hours a day. In my second year I doubled that. It took me 4 years or so, to make minimum wage. In 23 years,. I have not spend more than a 100 bucks in advertising, it's a rip off. It took about 10 years to have an income that supported me nicely. Another 10 before I could chill out and get away with working 2 or 3 hours a day. It's a process.

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Sorry your experience didn't play out as you wanted. Hopefully you have more success in other sales channels. I will share our Amazon experience because I think it's a good example of the yin/yang nature of dealing with a portal like Amazon. We resisted selling on Amazon for several years about a decade ago even though we were advised to by several consultants to be on the platform. We already had other sales channels that were seasoned and provided ample business for us but more is always more and so we eventually caved and opened an Amazon store about 8 years ago, in part, to prove the consultants wrong. We seriously had little faith that our niche product, for which there is precious little direct competition, would sell well on Amazon. For several years, we were right - sales were meager andthe platform really made no sense. We weren't spending alot on advertising and we were getting meager sales. I was in someways happy with this because I didn't necessarily want to be an Amazon merchant. What we noticed was that sales doubled each year though... that's significant. When you're selling very little as in the early years, doubling a very small amount is still a very amount but the trend was undeniable. By the 6th or 7th year of 50-100% sales increases year on year, it became apparent to me that at some point, if the trend continued, Amazon would become a primary source of sales for our company. In the 8 years we have been selling on Amazon, their sales channel went from 5% of our total revenue to 35% and we expect it to become our primary source in 2024. Now that all sounds like a good thing but to be honest, it's a double edge sword that scares us as much as it encourages us. We've had our share of issues with good selling listings being taken offline with no explanation and having to pay consultants 1000's of dollars to get them back on after spending countless hours with overseas support groups that seem specifically designed to frustrate as opposed to rectify issues. We've had to deal with fraudulent buyers who take advantage of Amazon's "customer is always right" philosophy at the expense of the merchant. We've had our products downgradd in reviews unfairly but jackweed customers who buy things without reading the descriptions and then complain about things clearly described in pictures and listing details. All of this drustrates the merchant and makes you dislike the platform that creates it. If you're successful on Amazon, they become your boss in a sense. I don't know about all business but I tend to think most small ones don't form so that they can be beholden to any entity, other than their customers, but you do end up being beholden to Amazon in some way or another. As you point out, you put thousands of dollars in their pockets for small profits but you have to keep reminding yourself - would I have all these new customers if NOT for Amazon and the answer is pretty clear. Nowadays we spend 1000's a month on advertising and while it kills to me do it, it works and so all we can do is continue to do it but like every job I've ever held, I recognize that someday it will come to an end and while we watch this sales channel grow, we entertain no illusion that it cannot be taken away from us with little recourse on our part because when Amazon does something that negatively affects you, there usually isn't much you can do.. people lose their jobs in your company and that's just how the cookie crumbles. All this said, it's hard for us to deny the power of the platform in terms of finding new customers. Who DOESNT buy on Amazon? So we continue to do what we do and hope for the best. Your experience is sad but perhaps it also was for the best - I guess what I am saying is - even when it goes well, it's not like the Brady Bunch.. it's more like The Sopranos. Cheers to you - good luck in business in 2024.

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Best of luck to you and your wife!

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If your selling 10k or less per year on Amazon you have made some bad decision somewhere down the line, probably on product research.

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You have to figure out how to get traffic off Amazon, especially depending on the niche. Amazon should be the option for organic sales due to faster shipping times and platform exposure (i.e. FBA). It shouldn't be the traffic driver via ads, it's gotten prohibitively too expensive to use that approach for most product categories under $30 per unit.

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I'm sort of in the same boat. selling since 2013. My main business has been 100% on amazon since 2016.

The margins, policy, PPC, and volume demands are too hard for a small business. Then you add the cost of labor and warehouse space on top of it.

I'd rather have a higher margin on my own website. even if I make less money.

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I'm done with amazon seller as well, this is the worst experience I've ever had as new legitimate seller on Amazon. I'm glad it didn't take them long to show their true colors. I wouldn't work with them again if they paid me a million dollars. They are literally the worst company I have attempted to work with selling my products.

They have no respect for their sellers, they treat them like little children instead of business partners that pay good money and do so much work and time required to be here. Like they are somehow doing us a favor as we pay all the fees and do all the work as they work as some unseen shadow force in the background that stalks us like prey.

They have hidden agendas and favoritism, they literally pick and choose whom they get to bully for the week, some of the small business brands selling similar custom products as me (mine look way better imo btw) are selling stuff like rick and Morty, marvel, dc universe, spiderman themes, all at once (under their brand) when there is no way possible to have the rights to sell all those top name brand designs. And I have a feeling those same brands doing that stuff are reporting businesses like mine to erase their competition. Yet they get to remain, yet actual legitimate sellers like me have to jump through invisible hoops to try and decipher the DaVinci code like we are cryptologist. Nobody has time for that, I'm running a business that has multiple platforms we sell on that do way better than on amazon and treat their sellers well.

You can actually get in trouble here right, for trying to test the best possible keywords to get the best search results. That is part of my job description! Absolute disgraceful management.

I'm glad I didn't get further invested in amazon seller beyond 40 days and haven't even been paid a dollar as of yet. This has literally been the biggest waste of my time, efforts, money, and resources. And trust me, I will make my experience known. Heed my warning or not, there is some bad bad stuff going on here behind closed doors and it's only a matter of time before they get investigated. I won't be back. Good luck

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I have been on here 20 yrs. It seems as if Amazon does not want us small sellers any more. I fight Amazon more than customers the last few yrs. The AI bots wrongly harassing me week after week is getting old. I am very good at what I do, one of the best. Been doing it 30+ yrs. Amazon seems like they don't want to boot small sellers, but have them walk instead by constant harassment and issues. No seller support whatsoever and bot responses make it impossible to run a business on here. I am not aloud to have ANY customer service whatsoever. Each year gets harder to keep my profit here. I sell on many online venues and ONLY have issues on Amazon. I am beginning to question if the profit is worth my daily sanity. My son caught me crying my eyes out 7 yrs ago, and said dad, you need to get off Amazon. But like a battered wife coming back for more I've stayed. It's getting harder to stay lately. I'm getting up in age and it is truly unbelievable what I go through on here. If it gets any worse, I too will leave. Can't take it any more.

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I am surprised you have reserves after 5 years. I had it the first few years, but not after 5 years. So I get that you are mad about that.

When people complain about the price, I mention that this is my living and not my hobby. I have a site, but people like to buy off Amazon, maybe they feel safer.

I'm sorry they won. I heard its harder to come back after leaving, so please consider this carefully. Best of luck to you!

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Been on here almost 14 years. I don't think I've spent anything on advertising in at least a decade. Best years were 2016-2020. I was a couple thousand short of $100k in 2018. But things got more restrictive. Odds of wasting your time prepping an order, shipping it out, and then a buyer is like "umm, its defective because I don't know how to use it" keep increasing. More and more SDGASDGSR named sellers are appearing on the platform, and drowning out the rest of us selling stuff from brands you have heard of. I won't buy from those brands - No way to comparison shop, no idea if the item is quality, no idea if you want another one in a year that they will still be around, and impossible to resell an item you decide you don't want anymore (anyone want to buy an unused SDFSDFS brand laptop stand? Didn't think so..)

Last year, I was down to about $34k in sales here, and probably will be even less this year. Ebay has been holding pretty steady at about double that for many years. Not sure if I can get it to grow, but after 23 years over there, its still pretty reliable.

If I were just starting online sales now, rather than then, I probably wouldn't. The small guy has been pushed out, buyers are looking for general merchanise rather than things they can't find locally (why spend $20 on a broom online you can get at walmart on the way home from work for $10? Do you make *that* much money that 20 minutes of your time is worth $10?)

I buy far less stuff online than I used to. Mostly just parts and accessories missing from items I'm selling.

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Calling it quit after 5 years of being a small business on Amazon.

After selling for five years on Amazon, we are finally calling it a quit. My wife and I started this journey on Amazon almost six years ago, and each year, we keep hoping things will get better, but things get only worse and worse.

If you are a seller on Amazon making 10,000 or more each year, it is a great thing, but for most of us small sellers or businesses, you get to a point where you realize that Amazon is that big and giant Pig you are taking part of fatting up, hoping one day you get a slice of bacon. But that day may never come.

With everything this platform says and does, it feels like they only want a small percentage of success to come your way but the mass majority to them.

You come to a point as a seller where you realize that when, after all the time and money you invested, you only get a small percentage back.

For example, when you are selling on Amazon, depending on your niche, you will have to spend a lot of money on ads every week to make a few sales, and after all the cost of ads and fees, you are only left with a small margin. After all, this is not just it; they hold that small margin on something they come up with call reserves, paying you 15 to 20 percent every two weeks from your own funds when they get their cuts every 3-5 days. And when they finally send you that small deposit, you can't even afford to get new inventories in. That's when you keep investing more and more of your personal funds and hoping that things will get better one day, but you never do.

Amazon might be an excellent platform for big companies and big sellers, but to a lot of small businesses, Amazon is their biggest nightmare.

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Calling it quit after 5 years of being a small business on Amazon.

After selling for five years on Amazon, we are finally calling it a quit. My wife and I started this journey on Amazon almost six years ago, and each year, we keep hoping things will get better, but things get only worse and worse.

If you are a seller on Amazon making 10,000 or more each year, it is a great thing, but for most of us small sellers or businesses, you get to a point where you realize that Amazon is that big and giant Pig you are taking part of fatting up, hoping one day you get a slice of bacon. But that day may never come.

With everything this platform says and does, it feels like they only want a small percentage of success to come your way but the mass majority to them.

You come to a point as a seller where you realize that when, after all the time and money you invested, you only get a small percentage back.

For example, when you are selling on Amazon, depending on your niche, you will have to spend a lot of money on ads every week to make a few sales, and after all the cost of ads and fees, you are only left with a small margin. After all, this is not just it; they hold that small margin on something they come up with call reserves, paying you 15 to 20 percent every two weeks from your own funds when they get their cuts every 3-5 days. And when they finally send you that small deposit, you can't even afford to get new inventories in. That's when you keep investing more and more of your personal funds and hoping that things will get better one day, but you never do.

Amazon might be an excellent platform for big companies and big sellers, but to a lot of small businesses, Amazon is their biggest nightmare.

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Calling it quit after 5 years of being a small business on Amazon.

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After selling for five years on Amazon, we are finally calling it a quit. My wife and I started this journey on Amazon almost six years ago, and each year, we keep hoping things will get better, but things get only worse and worse.

If you are a seller on Amazon making 10,000 or more each year, it is a great thing, but for most of us small sellers or businesses, you get to a point where you realize that Amazon is that big and giant Pig you are taking part of fatting up, hoping one day you get a slice of bacon. But that day may never come.

With everything this platform says and does, it feels like they only want a small percentage of success to come your way but the mass majority to them.

You come to a point as a seller where you realize that when, after all the time and money you invested, you only get a small percentage back.

For example, when you are selling on Amazon, depending on your niche, you will have to spend a lot of money on ads every week to make a few sales, and after all the cost of ads and fees, you are only left with a small margin. After all, this is not just it; they hold that small margin on something they come up with call reserves, paying you 15 to 20 percent every two weeks from your own funds when they get their cuts every 3-5 days. And when they finally send you that small deposit, you can't even afford to get new inventories in. That's when you keep investing more and more of your personal funds and hoping that things will get better one day, but you never do.

Amazon might be an excellent platform for big companies and big sellers, but to a lot of small businesses, Amazon is their biggest nightmare.

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It's frustrating, however, if you don't make 10K a year ...then selling is more of a hobby. Selling and making a profit isn't working for everyone. You got to have a good supplier for products people want and a price that they want to pay, while you still make a profit. None of those things happen over night. 5 Years really isn't that long. I started selling online in 2000 at what was then "Yahoo auctions" and Halfdotcom. No time to give up.

From there to the Bay when Yahoo auctions went down. In my first year, I made $1.12 an hour. I worked 7 days a week, 12-15 hours a day. In my second year I doubled that. It took me 4 years or so, to make minimum wage. In 23 years,. I have not spend more than a 100 bucks in advertising, it's a rip off. It took about 10 years to have an income that supported me nicely. Another 10 before I could chill out and get away with working 2 or 3 hours a day. It's a process.

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Sorry your experience didn't play out as you wanted. Hopefully you have more success in other sales channels. I will share our Amazon experience because I think it's a good example of the yin/yang nature of dealing with a portal like Amazon. We resisted selling on Amazon for several years about a decade ago even though we were advised to by several consultants to be on the platform. We already had other sales channels that were seasoned and provided ample business for us but more is always more and so we eventually caved and opened an Amazon store about 8 years ago, in part, to prove the consultants wrong. We seriously had little faith that our niche product, for which there is precious little direct competition, would sell well on Amazon. For several years, we were right - sales were meager andthe platform really made no sense. We weren't spending alot on advertising and we were getting meager sales. I was in someways happy with this because I didn't necessarily want to be an Amazon merchant. What we noticed was that sales doubled each year though... that's significant. When you're selling very little as in the early years, doubling a very small amount is still a very amount but the trend was undeniable. By the 6th or 7th year of 50-100% sales increases year on year, it became apparent to me that at some point, if the trend continued, Amazon would become a primary source of sales for our company. In the 8 years we have been selling on Amazon, their sales channel went from 5% of our total revenue to 35% and we expect it to become our primary source in 2024. Now that all sounds like a good thing but to be honest, it's a double edge sword that scares us as much as it encourages us. We've had our share of issues with good selling listings being taken offline with no explanation and having to pay consultants 1000's of dollars to get them back on after spending countless hours with overseas support groups that seem specifically designed to frustrate as opposed to rectify issues. We've had to deal with fraudulent buyers who take advantage of Amazon's "customer is always right" philosophy at the expense of the merchant. We've had our products downgradd in reviews unfairly but jackweed customers who buy things without reading the descriptions and then complain about things clearly described in pictures and listing details. All of this drustrates the merchant and makes you dislike the platform that creates it. If you're successful on Amazon, they become your boss in a sense. I don't know about all business but I tend to think most small ones don't form so that they can be beholden to any entity, other than their customers, but you do end up being beholden to Amazon in some way or another. As you point out, you put thousands of dollars in their pockets for small profits but you have to keep reminding yourself - would I have all these new customers if NOT for Amazon and the answer is pretty clear. Nowadays we spend 1000's a month on advertising and while it kills to me do it, it works and so all we can do is continue to do it but like every job I've ever held, I recognize that someday it will come to an end and while we watch this sales channel grow, we entertain no illusion that it cannot be taken away from us with little recourse on our part because when Amazon does something that negatively affects you, there usually isn't much you can do.. people lose their jobs in your company and that's just how the cookie crumbles. All this said, it's hard for us to deny the power of the platform in terms of finding new customers. Who DOESNT buy on Amazon? So we continue to do what we do and hope for the best. Your experience is sad but perhaps it also was for the best - I guess what I am saying is - even when it goes well, it's not like the Brady Bunch.. it's more like The Sopranos. Cheers to you - good luck in business in 2024.

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Best of luck to you and your wife!

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If your selling 10k or less per year on Amazon you have made some bad decision somewhere down the line, probably on product research.

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You have to figure out how to get traffic off Amazon, especially depending on the niche. Amazon should be the option for organic sales due to faster shipping times and platform exposure (i.e. FBA). It shouldn't be the traffic driver via ads, it's gotten prohibitively too expensive to use that approach for most product categories under $30 per unit.

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I'm sort of in the same boat. selling since 2013. My main business has been 100% on amazon since 2016.

The margins, policy, PPC, and volume demands are too hard for a small business. Then you add the cost of labor and warehouse space on top of it.

I'd rather have a higher margin on my own website. even if I make less money.

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Seller_DID9a2AnoAI74
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I'm done with amazon seller as well, this is the worst experience I've ever had as new legitimate seller on Amazon. I'm glad it didn't take them long to show their true colors. I wouldn't work with them again if they paid me a million dollars. They are literally the worst company I have attempted to work with selling my products.

They have no respect for their sellers, they treat them like little children instead of business partners that pay good money and do so much work and time required to be here. Like they are somehow doing us a favor as we pay all the fees and do all the work as they work as some unseen shadow force in the background that stalks us like prey.

They have hidden agendas and favoritism, they literally pick and choose whom they get to bully for the week, some of the small business brands selling similar custom products as me (mine look way better imo btw) are selling stuff like rick and Morty, marvel, dc universe, spiderman themes, all at once (under their brand) when there is no way possible to have the rights to sell all those top name brand designs. And I have a feeling those same brands doing that stuff are reporting businesses like mine to erase their competition. Yet they get to remain, yet actual legitimate sellers like me have to jump through invisible hoops to try and decipher the DaVinci code like we are cryptologist. Nobody has time for that, I'm running a business that has multiple platforms we sell on that do way better than on amazon and treat their sellers well.

You can actually get in trouble here right, for trying to test the best possible keywords to get the best search results. That is part of my job description! Absolute disgraceful management.

I'm glad I didn't get further invested in amazon seller beyond 40 days and haven't even been paid a dollar as of yet. This has literally been the biggest waste of my time, efforts, money, and resources. And trust me, I will make my experience known. Heed my warning or not, there is some bad bad stuff going on here behind closed doors and it's only a matter of time before they get investigated. I won't be back. Good luck

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I have been on here 20 yrs. It seems as if Amazon does not want us small sellers any more. I fight Amazon more than customers the last few yrs. The AI bots wrongly harassing me week after week is getting old. I am very good at what I do, one of the best. Been doing it 30+ yrs. Amazon seems like they don't want to boot small sellers, but have them walk instead by constant harassment and issues. No seller support whatsoever and bot responses make it impossible to run a business on here. I am not aloud to have ANY customer service whatsoever. Each year gets harder to keep my profit here. I sell on many online venues and ONLY have issues on Amazon. I am beginning to question if the profit is worth my daily sanity. My son caught me crying my eyes out 7 yrs ago, and said dad, you need to get off Amazon. But like a battered wife coming back for more I've stayed. It's getting harder to stay lately. I'm getting up in age and it is truly unbelievable what I go through on here. If it gets any worse, I too will leave. Can't take it any more.

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I am surprised you have reserves after 5 years. I had it the first few years, but not after 5 years. So I get that you are mad about that.

When people complain about the price, I mention that this is my living and not my hobby. I have a site, but people like to buy off Amazon, maybe they feel safer.

I'm sorry they won. I heard its harder to come back after leaving, so please consider this carefully. Best of luck to you!

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Been on here almost 14 years. I don't think I've spent anything on advertising in at least a decade. Best years were 2016-2020. I was a couple thousand short of $100k in 2018. But things got more restrictive. Odds of wasting your time prepping an order, shipping it out, and then a buyer is like "umm, its defective because I don't know how to use it" keep increasing. More and more SDGASDGSR named sellers are appearing on the platform, and drowning out the rest of us selling stuff from brands you have heard of. I won't buy from those brands - No way to comparison shop, no idea if the item is quality, no idea if you want another one in a year that they will still be around, and impossible to resell an item you decide you don't want anymore (anyone want to buy an unused SDFSDFS brand laptop stand? Didn't think so..)

Last year, I was down to about $34k in sales here, and probably will be even less this year. Ebay has been holding pretty steady at about double that for many years. Not sure if I can get it to grow, but after 23 years over there, its still pretty reliable.

If I were just starting online sales now, rather than then, I probably wouldn't. The small guy has been pushed out, buyers are looking for general merchanise rather than things they can't find locally (why spend $20 on a broom online you can get at walmart on the way home from work for $10? Do you make *that* much money that 20 minutes of your time is worth $10?)

I buy far less stuff online than I used to. Mostly just parts and accessories missing from items I'm selling.

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It's frustrating, however, if you don't make 10K a year ...then selling is more of a hobby. Selling and making a profit isn't working for everyone. You got to have a good supplier for products people want and a price that they want to pay, while you still make a profit. None of those things happen over night. 5 Years really isn't that long. I started selling online in 2000 at what was then "Yahoo auctions" and Halfdotcom. No time to give up.

From there to the Bay when Yahoo auctions went down. In my first year, I made $1.12 an hour. I worked 7 days a week, 12-15 hours a day. In my second year I doubled that. It took me 4 years or so, to make minimum wage. In 23 years,. I have not spend more than a 100 bucks in advertising, it's a rip off. It took about 10 years to have an income that supported me nicely. Another 10 before I could chill out and get away with working 2 or 3 hours a day. It's a process.

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It's frustrating, however, if you don't make 10K a year ...then selling is more of a hobby. Selling and making a profit isn't working for everyone. You got to have a good supplier for products people want and a price that they want to pay, while you still make a profit. None of those things happen over night. 5 Years really isn't that long. I started selling online in 2000 at what was then "Yahoo auctions" and Halfdotcom. No time to give up.

From there to the Bay when Yahoo auctions went down. In my first year, I made $1.12 an hour. I worked 7 days a week, 12-15 hours a day. In my second year I doubled that. It took me 4 years or so, to make minimum wage. In 23 years,. I have not spend more than a 100 bucks in advertising, it's a rip off. It took about 10 years to have an income that supported me nicely. Another 10 before I could chill out and get away with working 2 or 3 hours a day. It's a process.

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Sorry your experience didn't play out as you wanted. Hopefully you have more success in other sales channels. I will share our Amazon experience because I think it's a good example of the yin/yang nature of dealing with a portal like Amazon. We resisted selling on Amazon for several years about a decade ago even though we were advised to by several consultants to be on the platform. We already had other sales channels that were seasoned and provided ample business for us but more is always more and so we eventually caved and opened an Amazon store about 8 years ago, in part, to prove the consultants wrong. We seriously had little faith that our niche product, for which there is precious little direct competition, would sell well on Amazon. For several years, we were right - sales were meager andthe platform really made no sense. We weren't spending alot on advertising and we were getting meager sales. I was in someways happy with this because I didn't necessarily want to be an Amazon merchant. What we noticed was that sales doubled each year though... that's significant. When you're selling very little as in the early years, doubling a very small amount is still a very amount but the trend was undeniable. By the 6th or 7th year of 50-100% sales increases year on year, it became apparent to me that at some point, if the trend continued, Amazon would become a primary source of sales for our company. In the 8 years we have been selling on Amazon, their sales channel went from 5% of our total revenue to 35% and we expect it to become our primary source in 2024. Now that all sounds like a good thing but to be honest, it's a double edge sword that scares us as much as it encourages us. We've had our share of issues with good selling listings being taken offline with no explanation and having to pay consultants 1000's of dollars to get them back on after spending countless hours with overseas support groups that seem specifically designed to frustrate as opposed to rectify issues. We've had to deal with fraudulent buyers who take advantage of Amazon's "customer is always right" philosophy at the expense of the merchant. We've had our products downgradd in reviews unfairly but jackweed customers who buy things without reading the descriptions and then complain about things clearly described in pictures and listing details. All of this drustrates the merchant and makes you dislike the platform that creates it. If you're successful on Amazon, they become your boss in a sense. I don't know about all business but I tend to think most small ones don't form so that they can be beholden to any entity, other than their customers, but you do end up being beholden to Amazon in some way or another. As you point out, you put thousands of dollars in their pockets for small profits but you have to keep reminding yourself - would I have all these new customers if NOT for Amazon and the answer is pretty clear. Nowadays we spend 1000's a month on advertising and while it kills to me do it, it works and so all we can do is continue to do it but like every job I've ever held, I recognize that someday it will come to an end and while we watch this sales channel grow, we entertain no illusion that it cannot be taken away from us with little recourse on our part because when Amazon does something that negatively affects you, there usually isn't much you can do.. people lose their jobs in your company and that's just how the cookie crumbles. All this said, it's hard for us to deny the power of the platform in terms of finding new customers. Who DOESNT buy on Amazon? So we continue to do what we do and hope for the best. Your experience is sad but perhaps it also was for the best - I guess what I am saying is - even when it goes well, it's not like the Brady Bunch.. it's more like The Sopranos. Cheers to you - good luck in business in 2024.

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Sorry your experience didn't play out as you wanted. Hopefully you have more success in other sales channels. I will share our Amazon experience because I think it's a good example of the yin/yang nature of dealing with a portal like Amazon. We resisted selling on Amazon for several years about a decade ago even though we were advised to by several consultants to be on the platform. We already had other sales channels that were seasoned and provided ample business for us but more is always more and so we eventually caved and opened an Amazon store about 8 years ago, in part, to prove the consultants wrong. We seriously had little faith that our niche product, for which there is precious little direct competition, would sell well on Amazon. For several years, we were right - sales were meager andthe platform really made no sense. We weren't spending alot on advertising and we were getting meager sales. I was in someways happy with this because I didn't necessarily want to be an Amazon merchant. What we noticed was that sales doubled each year though... that's significant. When you're selling very little as in the early years, doubling a very small amount is still a very amount but the trend was undeniable. By the 6th or 7th year of 50-100% sales increases year on year, it became apparent to me that at some point, if the trend continued, Amazon would become a primary source of sales for our company. In the 8 years we have been selling on Amazon, their sales channel went from 5% of our total revenue to 35% and we expect it to become our primary source in 2024. Now that all sounds like a good thing but to be honest, it's a double edge sword that scares us as much as it encourages us. We've had our share of issues with good selling listings being taken offline with no explanation and having to pay consultants 1000's of dollars to get them back on after spending countless hours with overseas support groups that seem specifically designed to frustrate as opposed to rectify issues. We've had to deal with fraudulent buyers who take advantage of Amazon's "customer is always right" philosophy at the expense of the merchant. We've had our products downgradd in reviews unfairly but jackweed customers who buy things without reading the descriptions and then complain about things clearly described in pictures and listing details. All of this drustrates the merchant and makes you dislike the platform that creates it. If you're successful on Amazon, they become your boss in a sense. I don't know about all business but I tend to think most small ones don't form so that they can be beholden to any entity, other than their customers, but you do end up being beholden to Amazon in some way or another. As you point out, you put thousands of dollars in their pockets for small profits but you have to keep reminding yourself - would I have all these new customers if NOT for Amazon and the answer is pretty clear. Nowadays we spend 1000's a month on advertising and while it kills to me do it, it works and so all we can do is continue to do it but like every job I've ever held, I recognize that someday it will come to an end and while we watch this sales channel grow, we entertain no illusion that it cannot be taken away from us with little recourse on our part because when Amazon does something that negatively affects you, there usually isn't much you can do.. people lose their jobs in your company and that's just how the cookie crumbles. All this said, it's hard for us to deny the power of the platform in terms of finding new customers. Who DOESNT buy on Amazon? So we continue to do what we do and hope for the best. Your experience is sad but perhaps it also was for the best - I guess what I am saying is - even when it goes well, it's not like the Brady Bunch.. it's more like The Sopranos. Cheers to you - good luck in business in 2024.

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Best of luck to you and your wife!

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Best of luck to you and your wife!

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If your selling 10k or less per year on Amazon you have made some bad decision somewhere down the line, probably on product research.

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If your selling 10k or less per year on Amazon you have made some bad decision somewhere down the line, probably on product research.

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You have to figure out how to get traffic off Amazon, especially depending on the niche. Amazon should be the option for organic sales due to faster shipping times and platform exposure (i.e. FBA). It shouldn't be the traffic driver via ads, it's gotten prohibitively too expensive to use that approach for most product categories under $30 per unit.

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You have to figure out how to get traffic off Amazon, especially depending on the niche. Amazon should be the option for organic sales due to faster shipping times and platform exposure (i.e. FBA). It shouldn't be the traffic driver via ads, it's gotten prohibitively too expensive to use that approach for most product categories under $30 per unit.

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I'm sort of in the same boat. selling since 2013. My main business has been 100% on amazon since 2016.

The margins, policy, PPC, and volume demands are too hard for a small business. Then you add the cost of labor and warehouse space on top of it.

I'd rather have a higher margin on my own website. even if I make less money.

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I'm sort of in the same boat. selling since 2013. My main business has been 100% on amazon since 2016.

The margins, policy, PPC, and volume demands are too hard for a small business. Then you add the cost of labor and warehouse space on top of it.

I'd rather have a higher margin on my own website. even if I make less money.

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I'm done with amazon seller as well, this is the worst experience I've ever had as new legitimate seller on Amazon. I'm glad it didn't take them long to show their true colors. I wouldn't work with them again if they paid me a million dollars. They are literally the worst company I have attempted to work with selling my products.

They have no respect for their sellers, they treat them like little children instead of business partners that pay good money and do so much work and time required to be here. Like they are somehow doing us a favor as we pay all the fees and do all the work as they work as some unseen shadow force in the background that stalks us like prey.

They have hidden agendas and favoritism, they literally pick and choose whom they get to bully for the week, some of the small business brands selling similar custom products as me (mine look way better imo btw) are selling stuff like rick and Morty, marvel, dc universe, spiderman themes, all at once (under their brand) when there is no way possible to have the rights to sell all those top name brand designs. And I have a feeling those same brands doing that stuff are reporting businesses like mine to erase their competition. Yet they get to remain, yet actual legitimate sellers like me have to jump through invisible hoops to try and decipher the DaVinci code like we are cryptologist. Nobody has time for that, I'm running a business that has multiple platforms we sell on that do way better than on amazon and treat their sellers well.

You can actually get in trouble here right, for trying to test the best possible keywords to get the best search results. That is part of my job description! Absolute disgraceful management.

I'm glad I didn't get further invested in amazon seller beyond 40 days and haven't even been paid a dollar as of yet. This has literally been the biggest waste of my time, efforts, money, and resources. And trust me, I will make my experience known. Heed my warning or not, there is some bad bad stuff going on here behind closed doors and it's only a matter of time before they get investigated. I won't be back. Good luck

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I'm done with amazon seller as well, this is the worst experience I've ever had as new legitimate seller on Amazon. I'm glad it didn't take them long to show their true colors. I wouldn't work with them again if they paid me a million dollars. They are literally the worst company I have attempted to work with selling my products.

They have no respect for their sellers, they treat them like little children instead of business partners that pay good money and do so much work and time required to be here. Like they are somehow doing us a favor as we pay all the fees and do all the work as they work as some unseen shadow force in the background that stalks us like prey.

They have hidden agendas and favoritism, they literally pick and choose whom they get to bully for the week, some of the small business brands selling similar custom products as me (mine look way better imo btw) are selling stuff like rick and Morty, marvel, dc universe, spiderman themes, all at once (under their brand) when there is no way possible to have the rights to sell all those top name brand designs. And I have a feeling those same brands doing that stuff are reporting businesses like mine to erase their competition. Yet they get to remain, yet actual legitimate sellers like me have to jump through invisible hoops to try and decipher the DaVinci code like we are cryptologist. Nobody has time for that, I'm running a business that has multiple platforms we sell on that do way better than on amazon and treat their sellers well.

You can actually get in trouble here right, for trying to test the best possible keywords to get the best search results. That is part of my job description! Absolute disgraceful management.

I'm glad I didn't get further invested in amazon seller beyond 40 days and haven't even been paid a dollar as of yet. This has literally been the biggest waste of my time, efforts, money, and resources. And trust me, I will make my experience known. Heed my warning or not, there is some bad bad stuff going on here behind closed doors and it's only a matter of time before they get investigated. I won't be back. Good luck

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I have been on here 20 yrs. It seems as if Amazon does not want us small sellers any more. I fight Amazon more than customers the last few yrs. The AI bots wrongly harassing me week after week is getting old. I am very good at what I do, one of the best. Been doing it 30+ yrs. Amazon seems like they don't want to boot small sellers, but have them walk instead by constant harassment and issues. No seller support whatsoever and bot responses make it impossible to run a business on here. I am not aloud to have ANY customer service whatsoever. Each year gets harder to keep my profit here. I sell on many online venues and ONLY have issues on Amazon. I am beginning to question if the profit is worth my daily sanity. My son caught me crying my eyes out 7 yrs ago, and said dad, you need to get off Amazon. But like a battered wife coming back for more I've stayed. It's getting harder to stay lately. I'm getting up in age and it is truly unbelievable what I go through on here. If it gets any worse, I too will leave. Can't take it any more.

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I have been on here 20 yrs. It seems as if Amazon does not want us small sellers any more. I fight Amazon more than customers the last few yrs. The AI bots wrongly harassing me week after week is getting old. I am very good at what I do, one of the best. Been doing it 30+ yrs. Amazon seems like they don't want to boot small sellers, but have them walk instead by constant harassment and issues. No seller support whatsoever and bot responses make it impossible to run a business on here. I am not aloud to have ANY customer service whatsoever. Each year gets harder to keep my profit here. I sell on many online venues and ONLY have issues on Amazon. I am beginning to question if the profit is worth my daily sanity. My son caught me crying my eyes out 7 yrs ago, and said dad, you need to get off Amazon. But like a battered wife coming back for more I've stayed. It's getting harder to stay lately. I'm getting up in age and it is truly unbelievable what I go through on here. If it gets any worse, I too will leave. Can't take it any more.

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I am surprised you have reserves after 5 years. I had it the first few years, but not after 5 years. So I get that you are mad about that.

When people complain about the price, I mention that this is my living and not my hobby. I have a site, but people like to buy off Amazon, maybe they feel safer.

I'm sorry they won. I heard its harder to come back after leaving, so please consider this carefully. Best of luck to you!

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I am surprised you have reserves after 5 years. I had it the first few years, but not after 5 years. So I get that you are mad about that.

When people complain about the price, I mention that this is my living and not my hobby. I have a site, but people like to buy off Amazon, maybe they feel safer.

I'm sorry they won. I heard its harder to come back after leaving, so please consider this carefully. Best of luck to you!

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Been on here almost 14 years. I don't think I've spent anything on advertising in at least a decade. Best years were 2016-2020. I was a couple thousand short of $100k in 2018. But things got more restrictive. Odds of wasting your time prepping an order, shipping it out, and then a buyer is like "umm, its defective because I don't know how to use it" keep increasing. More and more SDGASDGSR named sellers are appearing on the platform, and drowning out the rest of us selling stuff from brands you have heard of. I won't buy from those brands - No way to comparison shop, no idea if the item is quality, no idea if you want another one in a year that they will still be around, and impossible to resell an item you decide you don't want anymore (anyone want to buy an unused SDFSDFS brand laptop stand? Didn't think so..)

Last year, I was down to about $34k in sales here, and probably will be even less this year. Ebay has been holding pretty steady at about double that for many years. Not sure if I can get it to grow, but after 23 years over there, its still pretty reliable.

If I were just starting online sales now, rather than then, I probably wouldn't. The small guy has been pushed out, buyers are looking for general merchanise rather than things they can't find locally (why spend $20 on a broom online you can get at walmart on the way home from work for $10? Do you make *that* much money that 20 minutes of your time is worth $10?)

I buy far less stuff online than I used to. Mostly just parts and accessories missing from items I'm selling.

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Been on here almost 14 years. I don't think I've spent anything on advertising in at least a decade. Best years were 2016-2020. I was a couple thousand short of $100k in 2018. But things got more restrictive. Odds of wasting your time prepping an order, shipping it out, and then a buyer is like "umm, its defective because I don't know how to use it" keep increasing. More and more SDGASDGSR named sellers are appearing on the platform, and drowning out the rest of us selling stuff from brands you have heard of. I won't buy from those brands - No way to comparison shop, no idea if the item is quality, no idea if you want another one in a year that they will still be around, and impossible to resell an item you decide you don't want anymore (anyone want to buy an unused SDFSDFS brand laptop stand? Didn't think so..)

Last year, I was down to about $34k in sales here, and probably will be even less this year. Ebay has been holding pretty steady at about double that for many years. Not sure if I can get it to grow, but after 23 years over there, its still pretty reliable.

If I were just starting online sales now, rather than then, I probably wouldn't. The small guy has been pushed out, buyers are looking for general merchanise rather than things they can't find locally (why spend $20 on a broom online you can get at walmart on the way home from work for $10? Do you make *that* much money that 20 minutes of your time is worth $10?)

I buy far less stuff online than I used to. Mostly just parts and accessories missing from items I'm selling.

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